I was wondering if there really was some natural variation that keeps getting cited by climate-change skeptics that predicts a warming? The only such variation I can think of would be the milankovitch cycles, however this predicts cooling not warming at present (as far as I recall).

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    $\begingroup$ I don't think that an intelligent sceptic would argue that from natural variations you can predict that it should warm right now. The argument is easier: we don't understand natural variations well enough to rule them out as being responsible. However, there is a whole chapter in the IPCC Reports that addresses this question ('Understanding and attributing climate change'). $\endgroup$
    – taupunkt
    Jun 29, 2014 at 10:47
  • $\begingroup$ Article that might be of interest: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_oscillation Oceanic oscillations are enormously difficult to predict and model. The article says "additional citations needed", but good citations might not exist. As far as I know, there simply isn't enough data to make good predictions, either pro or con, on oceanic cycles. That said, whatever oceans do or don't do, that won't change the heat trapping property of Greenhouse gas, which has been verified or the loss of ice cover and expanding oceans which leads to falling albedo, which also adds heat. $\endgroup$
    – userLTK
    Jan 22, 2016 at 5:45
  • $\begingroup$ Richard Muller's answer on 30 year cycles. They aren't well understood but are often used by skeptics as an argument against man made climate change. quora.com/… $\endgroup$
    – userLTK
    Jan 22, 2016 at 6:32

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First off, let me preface this answer with a disclaimer: I do not deny climate change.

From what I've read, the skeptics for the most part don't claim to have an alternative explanation for the recent warming. Their arguments (not mine!) are fourfold:

  1. The recent warming doesn't exist, is natural, or is just noise. The tiny half degree warming we've seen in the last 40 years is a tiny blip on the huge changes that have occurred in the past.
  2. Climate change is a natural occurrence. The climate has changed historically naturally by huge amounts, much bigger than the tiny half degree warming we've seen in the last 40 years.
  3. Predicting the weather after ten days is a fool's errand. Predicting climate is worse than a fool's errand. It can't be done.
  4. Even if things have warmed up in the last forty years, one thing is certain: It's not CO2. That a tiny trace gas could possibly drive the climate is laughable.

Those are not my arguments.

With regard to point #1,
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Source: World Meteorological Organization Press Release No. 976: 2001-2010, A Decade of Climate Extremes

The above image speaks for itself. The global temperature change over the last forty years is very real, and is not noise.

With regard to point #2, yes the climate has changed in the past, and by huge amounts. We've had everything from snowball Earth to dinosaurs roaming the Arctic. And the point is? This argument is akin to a farmer taking a trip to the Grand Canyon and upon seeing what damage nature can do decides to forgo contour plowing and other anti-erosion farming techniques.

That the farmer's field might turn into a mountain or be washed out to sea several millions of years from now is irrelevant. What's relevant is that his good or bad practices have an impact on the world food supply. That nature can do far worse does not negate those bad farming practices. Bad farming practices are bad for humanity.

Getting back to climate change, if higher global temperatures are bad for humanity, it doesn't matter matter one bit how close ice came to the equator or how far north dinosaurs roamed in the past. What matters is that modern humanity is sensitive to climate change, be it natural or induced by humans.

With regard to point #3, yes, weather becomes chaotic after ten days or so. That does not mean that climate is chaotic, and if it is, the ~ten day Lyapunov time of the weather does not mean that climate also has a ten day Lyapunov time.

With regard to point #4, it is CO2. It was amusing to follow the skeptic response to Richard Muller's Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project. Muller was a self-proclaimed skeptic, and he was going to prove those leftist climatologists wrong. The skeptic community cheered at the start. "He's going to prove them wrong!" A funny thing happened on the way to proving them wrong: He proved them to be correct. Muller was an honest scientist in this regard. His own work caused him to switch from being a skeptic to ascribing to AGW.

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    $\begingroup$ Hi, David! Sorry about majorly editing your post. It was in regards to this meta post, in which some people think that the "disclaimers" detract from the post. I don't think that we really need to declare what we believe in; rather; let the facts tell the story. However, I'd like some discussion (preferably on the meta post). Thanks! $\endgroup$
    – hichris123
    Jul 1, 2014 at 2:22

I can list the cycles and possible cycles that I know of.

You mentioned the Milankovich cycles, 26,000 (or 21,000), 41,000 and about 100,000 (with some fluctuation), are pretty much like clockwork and are timed pretty well with historical ice ages, so those are confirmed cycles, but they also occur very slowly. The Sahara desert may cycle from lush rain forest to desert back to rain forest every 26,000 years.

That said, the orbital changes are not thought to be a big factor today. We're likely in the middle of a warm period between ice ages, perhaps in a gradual cooling.

Solar Minimums

The sun cycles between high and low sunspot periods on roughly an 11 year cycle. High sunspot activity does give the Earth slightly more energy but the effect of this is pretty small, maybe 1/4 of 1 degree C maximum to minimum, less than the 1 degree plus that the CO2 has already warmed the earth. Still 1/4 of 1 degree can have an effect if the sun enters an extended minimum. This may be the cause of the little ice age.

Maunder Minimum and Little Ice age

A recent study suggested that the sun might enter a new long term (Maunder like) minimum and that it may happen every few hundred years, but the cooling from this is likely smaller than the warming already experienced from CO2. (I have a link, need to track it down)

Ocean currents

This is very complex and difficult to predict. We know that El Ninos and La Nina's tend to roughly alternate. El Nino's are associated with a warmer ocean current on the surface that warms teh air (and has numerous other global weather effects) and La Nina is a cooler ocean current on the surface that warms the air less/cools it more and there are also predictible weather effects all over the planet. La Nina and El Nino aren't exactly on a cycle any more than heavy snow fall winters and light snow fall winters are on a cycle, they're more like chance, for lack of a better word, though they must be caused by something but as far as I know there's no good predictive methods beyond a few months ahead of time. I think it's unlikely that La Nina and El Nino play key roles in global climate change though, but there's no definitive evidence.

Longer term ocean currents are often used by climate change skeptics, like 30 year ocean cycles, because, if you squint just right, they can argue that the global temperature has risen and fallen on a 30 year cycle. (They really haven't), but it looks like there could be some truth to that. See chart here (for some reason I couldn't embed)


Source: https://www2.ucar.edu/climate/faq/how-much-has-global-temperature-risen-last-100-years

Now it looks like the Earth cooled 1880-1910, warmed 1910-early 1940s, cooled a little / stayed about flat 1940-1975 and warmed 1975 to present. It sounds like a good argument but 2 periods is much too short a time period to draw any good conclusions, especially if the argument is largely circumstantial without a clear cause and effect, and lets not forget, the warming since the 1970s has blown out of the water any measured 30 year period before then, so the current warming doesn't fit the model.


While not really a "cycle" volcanoes can have measurable effects on climate, but only very large ones, so this happens maybe 1-2 times a century. The last cooling volcano happened in 1991 and may have cooled the earth about 1/2 of 1 degree, which is actually a lot, but it's also, quite temporary. A few years after the Volcano the Earth was setting heat records again and by 1998 with the large El Nino, global temperatures blew the previous records out of the water.


see chart here: http://www.drroyspencer.com/global-warming-background-articles/2000-years-of-global-temperatures/

Roy Spencer suggests that during the medieval warm period it was 1 or 2 degrees hotter than today. I think he's basically lying because he's the only person producing charts like this. There's another scientist (I forget his name) who only studies the Greenland ice sheet which can be prone to local variations and not give a good picture of global temperatures.

Locally there can be fairly significant temperature variation but, and this is important, there's a difference between natural variation and cycles. Cycles by definition have causes. Natural variation tends to be more local than global, though there are global variations year to year, where the biggest drivers are probably El Nino/La Nina and the occasional once in a century volcanic eruption. Other smaller effects like cloud cover and snow cover/reflection probably play roles too.

But in a certain sense, all this is just movement of temperature and (OK clouds and snow can reflect solar energy away directly) but oceans, the primary cause used for cycles don't change the total heat in the system so much as they move it around. The sun, another commonly misused cause for cycles, doesn't vary enough to explain the current warming, so it's likely that most of the people saying "it's a cycle" are simply wrong. Though it's possible that part of the warming is riding a so far unexplained cycle, it's very unlikely that most of it is.

The simplest way to look at climate change is energy in and energy out.


This is grossly over simplified but 29% of the suns energy is reflected directly back into space, 23% warms the atmosphere and 48% warms the surface. The earth, when in equilibrium, gives back the same amount of energy that it receives, of that 71%, only 12% radiates from the surface of the earth and 59% radiates into space from the atmosphere. Small changes in radiation away from the earth (which is how greenhouse gas works) gradually increase the total heat of the earth, and most of this heat goes into the oceans, some melts ice and only about 3% stays in the atmosphere, which slowly warms the atmosphere, the current estimate is about 2 degrees C every 100 years (and the ocean warming, likely even slower than that, maybe 1 degree on the surface every 100 years or more and even more gradual warming in the middle and deeper oceans. All that is very one-dimensional as it doesn't take into account evaporation and cloud formation, changes in plant transporation, changes in desert vs green land cover, changes in ice cover, humidity etc. It's a hugely complicated system, BUT, there is very good evidence that the atmosphere is trapping heat and the earth is taking in more energy from the sun than it is currently returning to space and that's the single most important bit of evidence. So called 30 year ocean cycles are very much worth studying but likely not causing and unlikely to prevent man made climate change. Solar cycles are worth studying and may even exist over every few centuries, but they are probably too small to prevent the greenhouse gas warming. Other "undiscovered" cycles, well, sounds good, but without a testable theory, that's not real science.

That was probably too long, but there it is.


Many natural cycles are known and understood even though "skeptics" like to point to them. For example, we can predict Milankovitch cycles, and we have good solar records for over 200 years. Although we might not necessarily know the magnitude of these effects a priori, we can look for these patterns in the climate record. eg. Does the Earth get warmer when the sun becomes more energetic, and get cooler when it becomes less energetic.

We do see these effects in the Earth's climate (let's face it, it would a big surprise if the Earth did not get warmer when the Sun got warmer!), but they cannot account for all of these changes. For example, when the Sun might become less energetic the Earth does not cool as much as it warmed when the sun became more energetic.

enter image description here Heat-trapping emissions (greenhouse gases) far outweigh the effects of other drivers acting on Earth’s climate. Source: Hansen et al. 2005, Figure adapted by Union of Concerned Scientists*

* Hansen, J., L. Nazarenko, R. Ruedy, M. Sato, J. Willis, A. Del Genio, D. Koch, A. Lacis, K. Lo, S. Menon, T. Novakov, J. Perlwitz, G. Russell, G.A. Schmidt, and N. Tausnev. 2005. Earth’s energy imbalance: Confirmation and implications. Science 308:1431-1435


The natural variation of astrophysical cycles that affect climate (collectively known as the Milankovitch cycles can be seen in ice core records.

An image of the EPICA and Vostok ice cores versus age obtained from Ice Age (Wikipedia), clearly shows influence of the Malenkovitch cycles. The most notable of which is the strong cycle that is approximately 70,000 years and is associated with geologic ice ages. In fact, the Earth is historically on average much cooler than it is now, and the retreat of glaciers has been periodic but not sustained. We were supposed to have cooled off some time ago, but clearly we are not in a global cooling period. Many would even argue that humans started affecting the climate over 7,000 years ago when land management and fire was wielded prevalently.

I would rather not get into what a climate-change skeptic might say. However, we can use climate models to determine natural variation without anthropogenic forcings. Below is an image of this from the IPCC AR5 Technical Summary draft which shows a full climate simulation and one without anthropogenic climate forcers. Note that currently the climate is changing much faster than it would naturally.

Climate Model vs Historical Records


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