When I was researching some materials (e.g. this article in Scientific American) regarding the possible ways to fight climate change, I noticed that almost all suggestions look not like the solutions to the problem, but rather the way to slow down the problem.

I mean, the efficient light bulb still emits some non-zero heat, doesn't it? Moreover, judging by the following picture (source) enter image description here it seems that there are some sources of greenhouse gases that aren't going anywhere (we theoretically may make all cars electric but greenhouse-emitting agriculture will still remain).

In theory, one of the possible solutions is just to reduce the total population or significantly change lifestyle, but because, firstly, this is unrealistic and secondly, this is not the subject of this forum, let's just assume that both will remain roughly the same.

Therefore, it seems like:

  1. Even if humanity tries its best to reduce greenhouse gases and heat emissions, it will still emit some significant positive amount of them
  2. Humanity can't do anything significant to actually reduce (and not emit less) greenhouse gases in the atmosphere
  3. Therefore, slower or faster the amount of greenhouse gases will increase
  4. Therefore, slower or faster, the temperatures will rise

So, is the climate change inevitable (supposing that current population and lifestyle remains roughly the same), or am I missing something?

  • $\begingroup$ This question might get closed because some may regard possible answers as being opinion based. I hope it remains open. I generally tend to agree with you. Without lifestyle changes, little will happen. Over the past number of years I read & seen news items about how some people are suggesting meat is not sustainable as a food source or as an element of climate change - particularly beef. Such people have proposed veganism as a remedy. More recently I came across news items suggesting we replace meat as a source of protein with insects, for human consumption. Either way, lifestyle change! $\endgroup$
    – Fred
    May 31 '21 at 15:52
  • $\begingroup$ Regarding "[...] but greenhouse-emitting agriculture will still remain [...]". This statement is not fully correct. I assume that animal husbandery is included in agriculture. Otherwise the first item belongs to another section. First, we can reduce our consumption of animal-products (meet, milk, ...). Second, we can increase the amount of seasonally growing vegetables and fruits (e.g. less heated greenhouses) that we consume and eat more divers. Changing some agricultural practices might also reduce emissions of greenhouse gases from fields. $\endgroup$ Jun 1 '21 at 15:39
  • $\begingroup$ @Fred while I agree that lifestyle change is at least part of the solution, I also think it's important to put the onus on the real problem -- government and corporations -- who would like all of us to think that we need to implement austerity measures in our own lives, while they continue dragging their feet and polluting. $\endgroup$
    – LShaver
    Jun 1 '21 at 15:47

Yes, it is possible to reverse climate change, at least technically, and it does not require absurd technology to do so. (The political issues are entirely different and clearly off-topic, so I won't mention them further.)

First of all something you say indicates a possible confusion: you said

the efficient light bulb still emits some non-zero heat, doesn't it?

And the important thing here is that human energy production (which ends up as heat) is an absolutely negligible direct cause of climate change. It's possible to work out what it is but it's a tiny fraction of a degree. It's also possible that in some future world it may start to be a direct problem, but it is not currently. See Tom Murphy's excellent blog (and now free book!) for some calculations on this.

Climate change is not caused by waste heat from human energy use: it's caused by processes which modulate the energy which arrives on Earth from the Sun, which is hugely greater (I did a simple-minded calculation based on this page and got a figure of about $11500$ times more energy arriving at the top of the atmosphere from the Sun than human energy production).

So, anthropogenic climate change is not driven by human waste heat: it's driven by gases we dump into the atmosphere which alter its characteristics in such a way that there is warming on the surface. Mostly this means $\mathrm{CO_2}$, which is a waste product of burning fossil fuels. To reverse climate change we need to lower the concentration of $\mathrm{CO_2}$ in the atmosphere (and other greenhouse gases but I'll just talk about $\mathrm{CO_2}$ below).

Before starting, it's important to realise that there are natural processes which scavenge $\mathrm{CO_2}$ from the atmosphere as well as ones which produce it: the concentration doesn't just endlessly increase. Indeed the fossil fuels we are busily burning are the result of just such scavenging of $\mathrm{CO_2}$: all that carbon was removed from the atmosphere by organisms over geological time and turned into coal, oil etc. If such processes didn't exist we would simple not be here at all.

So to reduce the concentration of $\mathrm{CO_2}$ in the atmospere there are, really, two possible broad-brush approaches:

  1. we can reduce our emissions of $\mathrm{CO_2}$ to a relatively small level, and wait until natural processes scavenge it from the atmosphere;
  2. or we can actively do things which scavenge it from the atmosphere ourselves.

And we can do any combination of (1) & (2) of course.

For (1) there are several things to say. Firstly I don't know what the level which would eventually be reached is: there's no reason to believe it will be the same as the preindustrial level I think (and obviously the $\mathrm{CO_2}$ level in the atmosphere is not long-term constant in any case: it just generally changes rather slowly over time compared to recent anthropogenic increase). Secondly, this would take a long time, just because the natural scavenging processes are generally slow: there is a summary here (from a few years ago), but the timescales are hundreds of years I think.

But one important thing about (1) is that 'a relatively small level' doesn't mean 'living in the 18th century': more than half of the total anthropogenic $\mathrm{CO_2}$ in the atmosphere has been put there since 1990. Life was reasonably pleasant in 1990 (although it helped a lot if you lived in the first world). [Edit following a comment. The previous statement is misleading: $\mathrm{CO_2}$ emissions need to be lower than they were in 1990 in the 1st world, and really quite a lot lower. But they don't need to be 18th-century low, and we don't need to live 18th-century lifestyles.]

To actually know what the options around (1) are you have to do hairy calculations which I'm not up to.

For (2) we would need to scavenge $\mathrm{CO_2}$ ourselves. That doesn't have to mean building giant $\mathrm{CO_2}$-scavenging machines. For instance trees are machines which turn atmospheric $\mathrm{CO_2}$ into, well, tree: a large tree can weigh tens of tonnes, and a great chunk of that mass is carbon, all of which came from atmospheric $\mathrm{CO_2}$. And that mass doesn't include all the leaves it has dropped over its life. Obviously to actually understand what trees do in terms of $\mathrm{CO_2}$ you need to look at what happens after they die as a bunch of the carbon then gets turned back into $\mathrm{CO_2}$ as they rot, and again this involves hairy calculations (which people do). But overall it's safe to say that trees are pretty heavily carbon-negative.

So planting trees (and other green plants, but trees are pretty good I think) are one way that humans can, in fact, actively pull $\mathrm{CO_2}$ out of the atmosphere over periods of tens of years.

There are also all sorts of other approaches including the more high-tech fixes that a lot of people enthuse about. For instance if we had unlimited very cheap power (say fusion which we'll likely have in due course, or cheap solar power which we already have) then it's easily possible to imagine a giant $\mathrm{CO_2}$-o-tron machine which will pull $\mathrm{CO_2}$ out of the atmosphere and turn it into, say, carbon and oxygen, driving the reaction backwards by pushing lots of energy into it. This will produce a bunch of waste heat, but see above on the contribution of waste heat to climate change.

There are a lot of other options here as well. I don't want to (and can't) enumerate them all. However I hope I have made the point that it certainly is the case that we can absolutely do things which would reduce the concentration of $\mathrm{CO_2}$ in the atmosphere over periods as short as tens of years, and many of those things are not absurdly implausible.

  • $\begingroup$ Thank you for a detailed answer! It helps a lot to understand the processes. Unfortunately, it still doesn't fully answer the question because it is unclear whether (1) + (2) would be able to reduce CO2 faster than the humanity would emit it provided it used the most greenish technology available. It would be great if someone could actually provide some figures $\endgroup$
    – kandi
    Jun 1 '21 at 12:40
  • $\begingroup$ "Life was reasonably pleasant in 1990 (although it helped a lot if you lived in the first world)". CO2 emissions are very low in underdeveloped countries. The most significant driver of CO2 emissions increase is not changes in the first world countries, but rather rapid industrialization in countries like China. And I presume the situation will become even worse because there are places which emit very low levels of CO2 (almost all African states), but they will also industrialize sooner or later. There is a great video on the geographic differences: youtube.com/watch?v=ipVxxxqwBQw $\endgroup$
    – kandi
    Jun 1 '21 at 12:41
  • $\begingroup$ @kandi: (first comment): I'm sure we can't manage if we keep burning fossil fuels at anything like the current rate (I don't have figures for that however). If we don't, I'm sure we can. So I think (2) is not plausibly enough on its own, but (1) & (2) together definitely are. $\endgroup$
    – user18801
    Jun 1 '21 at 13:19
  • $\begingroup$ @kandi: (second comment): Yes, that's true I think. Things are still bad in 1st-world countries though: the US emitted half its 2017 cumulative total ($\approx 400\times 10^9\,\mathrm{t}$) in about 1980 I think (source). But yes, you're right: we need to emit much less than we did in 1990. I have edited the answer to take this into account as it was clearly misleading at best before: thanks! $\endgroup$
    – user18801
    Jun 1 '21 at 13:29

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